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Weight Watchers Week 1 Weigh In and my Take on the "Free" Fruit

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Week 1 on the new Weight Watchers PointsPlus is a success! I’m down 3.6 lbs! I feel fantastic and I’ve been doing great but I haven’t yet found my groove with the plan. Let me explain while answering the questions Dana left of my recent Do You Nibble post…

So I’m still curious if you like the new WW plan? Or is it hard to compare since you are have extra points right now?  Any thoughts on counting points for fruit when it’s in a recipe?

Well it’s hard for me to evaluate the plan after 1 week but I’ll give you my initial reaction. I am finding calculating points a bit cumbersome. Mostly because I still have the old points stuck in my brain. As for the nursing points, I don’t think of them much. I had nursing points when I started Weight Watchers 6 years ago so it’s a place I’m very familiar with.

It’s actually my own food journal that’s stumping me right now. I haven’t figured out the best way to record it for me yet. I used to use twitter I found it hard this week to keep up with it. Honestly, I may just go back to pen and paper. With the baby and my crazy schedule my computer time has been inconsistent.

As for the fruit and points, I do have my own strategy now. Even on the old plan I used to count all fruit as 1 point, regardless of serving size. This gave me the perfect balance between being accountable and not obsessing over how much fruit I was eating. I just don’t think we need to be weighing out a serving of grapes. That being said, on the new plan my strategy is this..

All fruit eaten solo will be counted as 0 pointsplus
This just makes sense on the new plan. If I notice it affecting my weight loss I may start counting them as a point.
Fruits used in smoothies will be counted based on Nutritional Information
This morning I made an amazing green smoothie with a banana, pear, frozen mango, and spinach (click here for the green smoothie concept) Yes, I used all 0 pointsplus fruit to make the smoothie but using the nutritional information it turned out to be 7 pointsplus. SEVEN! That needs to be counted in my opinion.
Fruits used in traditional recipes will be counted based on Nutritional Information
By "traditional" I mean cooked or mixed in. Like blueberries in blueberry muffins or mango in a stir fry. I have always counted 0 point vegetables in these types of recipes when calculating old points, why wouldn’t I do the same with fruits on the new plan?
Fruits not mixed in recipes or meals but added on top will be counted as 0 pointsplus
Think blueberries on top of cereal or meals like my Citrus Spinach Salad with Pomegranates and Walnuts. In these recipes the fruit isn’t modified in anyway. It’s not cooked or blended. Theoretically I could be eating it on the side of the meal.

Of course, my opinion may change as I continue on plan but this is my current strategy. I’d love your take!

Ok, that’s all I have in my tonight. The getting up every 2 hours thing is REALLY starting to take it’s toll. I need sleep. I hope to get into a better routine so I can share my food journals but right now it’s too labor intensive for this tired momma.

Oh! I did take a minute to updated my weight progress page and my goals page.

Gotta run.. I’m falling asleep… bye.

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    April 7, 2011

    I’ve loved the PointsPlus program so far! I’ve been on it ever since it started, but have recently had to officially stop due to being (surprise!) pregnant. (Haven’t officially announced to anyone yet, so I probably shouldn’t out myself here, but, oh well… Here’s hoping nobody Googles me between now and when I spill the beans next week!)

    Technically, I’ve set my eTools to Maintenance and have continued to track, since I’m only at 15 weeks; it’s so hard to get out of the weight loss mindset after 3 years!

    I was using a similar strategy with fruits and veggies, except if I made, say, a fruit salad, I would still count it as zero points. In recipes, though, I’d count the nutritional values. It’s not like the old SetPoints, where you could only use them if it was one food item — bananas, or chicken, or whatnot. Fruit is what fruit is.

    That said, my leader also made sure to mention that moderation is still important. Sitting down to five bananas in a day isn’t a good idea, even if they are “free,” and any weight loss stalls might point to the increased starchy/sugary goodness in some fruits. Overall, though, the zero-point fruits and veggies seem to be balanced out by the increased point values of other foods (and 49 weekly allowance points?! Holy crow).

    I did see just as good of success if not greater on PointsPlus than I did on the previous version. Of course, that might be from having to spend more time and attention to calculating points values again, and not taking for granted that I was eating a two-point serving of whatever just by eyeballing it. :-)

    Ana Myre

    April 7, 2011

    I want WW here in my country but they wont do it, I´m doing it in my own with the old program I will love to give a try to the new one!!!

    Awesome job!

    it’s great to hear your take on the program! :)


    April 7, 2011

    Thank you for answering my questions Roni. Congrats on the loss – great start!

    I will say I probably didn’t give the new program a fair shake. I liked the program when it was more black/white and I think the fruit is a gray area. For example, if I ate a banana in the morning, mango at lunch, and pears with dinner I wouldn’t have counted the points on the new plan. But if I put them all in a smoothie like you did, I would need to count them. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bashing on your thought process on the fruit.

    In my opinion, WW has always been more defined (fat free milk is x points, 2% is x points, whole milk is x points, etc.) so the fruit concept throws me for a loop. And I miss the slide rule – for me it was faster when I went to the grocery store (versus the new calculator).

    On another note – thanks for the past post on freezing/storing breast milk. You never know when what you read will come in handy. My daughter’s best friend has one month old twins and a 3 yr old. She knew about freezing the milk but I sent her the link to your site so she could see your tip on storage.


    April 7, 2011

    Hi-I know this may sound like a silly question but here it goes anyways. Why don’t you just use the old WW points system? Also, I think a fruit is a fruit, is a fruit. They all have sugar and calories and all that good stuff that makes a food a food, so how can they be counted in one way and not in another. It sounds complicated…or is it just me?


    April 7, 2011

    I have had the though of counting fruit as 1 point per piece. Why? Because I figure with insulin resistance and having a large amount of points to use daily any way that it would even me out and help me not go all nutso in the butso on the bananas. At least to me this seems a good idea until I get my head in the game better.
    but the draw back would be how do I make peace with berries, grapes and the such?


    April 8, 2011

    I had the same question about the fruit in the smoothies.. apparently in one of the weekly WW booklets they give you they have a smoothie listed and the only points that were counted was for the yogurt.. so i will count all fresh fruits (blended or not (whos to say i dont sit there and eat yogurt with my banana on the side? )) as 0


    April 8, 2011

    This is exactly how I am dealing with the whole fruit issue. I am doing the e-tools only so I am kind of on my own. Counting fruit this way makes sense to me and I am losing so I am going with it.


    April 8, 2011

    I’m not sure I understand it entirely. I guess I don’t understand why raw fruit is zero points on its own, but so many more points if blended in a smoothie. I understand it can change if cooked, but if it’s blended, it’s technically not modified any more than it would be mixed with yogurt or a salad, is it? Roni, do you mean that you would count things like broccoli or red peppers in a stir-fry? I’ve always wondered if those recipes should be counted according to total calories (with the points derived from adding the calories, fat, fiber, etc than dividing by number of servings) or if they should be counted on a per-points basis (ie. 3pts for a chicken breast + 0 points for broccoli divided by number of servings).


    April 8, 2011

    I think your plan is a good one. After all, we all know that fruits and veggies have calories. The math, its mostly mental — most people, when given the choice would rather spend 2 points on a 1/2 cup of light ice cream than a banana (on the old points system) — so WW definitely tried to address that with making fruit free. I think that the program itself is trial and error — yes, it is a science based program, but the variable is our body! For example, I’ve always been someone who can eat every single one of my weekly points and still lose weight, there are people who weigh exactly the same as I do, who can’t. You have to be willing to give it time, play with the numbers and watch it work!


    April 8, 2011

    Nicole – That’s not a silly question at all. The only reason why I’m not just going back to old point is becuase I like the meeting. I like the community. I figured I’d give the new plan a go as it’s what they will be discussing in the meetings. If things don’t click for me over the next few weeks you can bet I’ll be going back to old point as I know it works for me.

    As for the fruit it does sound complicated but that’s how vegetables have always been treated on the plan as well. I truly believe you have to make the plan your own for it to work. Not sure if that makes sense but some of us like the structure of the plan and having rules is comforting.


    April 8, 2011

    Wendy – I say go for it. I may go in that direction as well. For berries and such just count a serving as a point.


    April 8, 2011

    TamIWas – If it’s blended in a smoothie part of the fruit “processing” is done for you. Normally your body does that work but now the blender is. That’s how I think of it anyway. Besides blending them allows you to consume LARGE amounts in a short period of time as well. I probably would’t sit there and eat a banana, a mango, and a pear in one sitting yet I consume exactly that in 1 smoothie. Counting just makes sense to me.

    As for vegetables in recipes, I have always counted them towards the total calories and such so this isn’t a change in the way I approached the old plan at all. I know others who did it the way you defined and had success as well. This is part of that “make it your own” concept I discussed in a comment above.


    April 8, 2011

    Roni, you make some great points about the fruit and the way that you are choosing to count them! I’m one of the ones that has been struggling on the new WW program. So this is something to consider. I’ve had to lower my daily points and if that doesn’t help I may just start counting my fruits.


    April 8, 2011

    I have counted ProPoints for almost 2 years now. It works. If people have problems with the program over here it’s mostly because of the many choices you have (moderation is very important) and because they do not stick to the program in all parts.

    My fruits have 0 points but I do never overeat. Fruits are part of a meal or a snack but never a substitute. That’s the way it works for me. If I calculate a self-baked apple pie the apples have 0 points. I do not even question it. Maybe that’s because fruits have had 0 points for ages (I started WW in 2005 and I have never ever counted points for fruits). Only bananas, grapes, cherries and mangos used to have points with the old program.

    Anyway, the daily points budget is calculated in a way that it is ok to eat fruits without calculating points. We even have a lot of people where the plan doesn’t work because they do not eat enough.


    April 8, 2011

    Congrats on your weight loss this week! Sorry about the lack of sleep that is the hard part of a new born.

    I agree with your take on counting the fruit. I went to a couple of meetings when the new program came out (I’m a lifetime member and wanted to get the new information) the leader at the meeting I was at said that if you use fruit in a smoothie you need to count the points because just as you said, the blender is breaking down the cell walls for you and then your body burns fewer calories to digest that fruit than if it were eaten in it’s natural state.
    It makes perfect sense to me. The bottom line is, if it works for people to not count the fruit and you are happy with your weight loss than continue what you are doing. If you don’t see results then maybe start counting the fruit.


    April 8, 2011

    Good job Roni!

    It’s a bummer the android tracker isn’t available. That would probably solve a bit of your problems :)

    Cynthia (It All Changes)

    April 8, 2011

    I love your process and thinking on fruit. At first it was all out fruit for me and then I realized the idea of eating it just because didn’t work either.

    I’ve bookmarked this for reference because it’s a great thought process.

    Amy @ A Little Nosh

    April 8, 2011

    That’s an incredible first week loss!


    April 8, 2011

    I am going to be one that probably gets trounced but….. I don’t like the new program. I loved the old one. I lost all my weight on it and started to work for WW. For reasons that aren’t necessary to get into here I left WW and gained 25 lbs back. I went back to WW as a member at the beginning of the new program. In 2 months I lost nothing! And yes I followed the program exactly.

    I have switched to counting calories and the pounds are starting to come off again. Fruit and vegetables all have calories, no matter how low they should still count towards calories consumed.

    I really wanted to love the new program because I love WW!


    April 8, 2011

    Jan – I would never trounce you! This a common experience. Right now I’m just trying it, but I have to be honest, I ate less points then my target a few days and I didn’t even touch the weeklies. If I was I don’t think I would have lost.

    I want WW for the meetings and structure, I’m still not sold on PointsPlus.


    April 8, 2011

    We were told by our WW leader and I have read on the WW boards that recipe builder should be used for something that is more than 1 serving. So a single smoothie should be counted as 0 for the fruit, xx for the milk yogurt etc. I think it is a gray area maybe ww will address after the 1st year of the new plan. I think you have to do what works for you.


    April 8, 2011

    Oh sorry Roni. I didn’t mean that you would trounce me. I know from reading your blogs for a long time that you are a sweetheart. I just know that there are many members that get upset to read about someone who isn’t sold on the new program.


    April 8, 2011

    great weight loss. I also loss this week 2 lbs.
    I think that one thing WW should tell us about.
    With their recipe builder it takes in all the nutrition like you said, but so many people are leaving out the zero foods.
    I think they need to discuss this with us at a meeting.
    Congrats again.


    April 8, 2011

    I make smoothies: 1 cup almond milk, 1/2 banana, 1 cup blueberries, handful of spinach, 1 tablespoon almond butter.

    It was 5 points and about 300 calories.

    My beer later is 140 calories and 5 points.

    I don’t adjust the beer points down because the calorie:point ratio seems off, and I’m not going to adjust my smoothie points up, either.
    I’m going to follow the plan as written.

    A week into it seems quite soon to need to make adjustments to the Points+ system.


    April 8, 2011

    If that works for you.. fabulous! I may be new but I know my body and how it reacts. I counted old points for 6 years. If I didn’t count that smoothie I’d be consuming too much for me. I know that from experience. I don’t want to be in a position of having to fill 7+ points at the end of the day “just because”. That–for me–is a recipe for disaster.

    And where is it written that you “do not count fruit in smoothies” actually my leader said we should, that’s who I consulted first when coming up with my fruit “rules.” From my perspective WW has been pretty silent on the topic. I asked….

    All I keep hearing is use your best judgement, which is what I’m doing.

    Sara Z.

    April 8, 2011

    I’ve done Points for the past 3 yrs (minus being prego last year) and at first didn’t really like the new PP program. It was stressful to me that everything had new points values. But after being OP now since 1/5 I really like it! I’m down 15 lbs of baby weight :) I use the online tools and tracker and find that tracking food and recipes is really easy for me. (But I am in front of a computer at work ALL day, so online tracking is easy). The way I count fruit is if its 0 pts, then it’s 0 pts. Even if its in a smoothie. But that’s what works for me. But I don’t eat 0 pt foods just to eat them – I think that’s where some ppl might get into trouble.
    Thanks for posting about WW! Good luck with the new plan :)


    April 8, 2011

    Personally, I’m sticking with the old points system. It worked for me (I lost 50 pounds). WW is a great, but they are a business. They have to come up with new “stuff” to sell or else they aren’t going to make as much money. I find the new program to be a pain with the Calculator (what happens when it breaks and you have to put batteries in it). It’s just a gimmick to make money …which is fine…they need to make money, but if the old way worked for you there is no reason to switch. It’s all the same just structured a little differently.

    Maria mywaistlossjourney

    April 8, 2011

    Roni congrats on a great first week!! Way to go!!! I look at the fruit thing this way, and I think that maybe WW does too. If you are going to eat something, wouldn’t you want it to have O pts? I know for me, I would want to eat something with zero points as opposed to 3 or 4. So WW makes fruit zero points so when you want to eat something you choose that. Yes it does have a calorie, but it is also healthier and a better choice. Their little mind trick is working for me…


    April 8, 2011

    I think each leader has a different opinion on it too, because they are still figuring out what works. My leader says to count every fruit as 0 regardless because the research shows it still works, but that probably doesn’t work for everyone, and like you say, it’s important to know your body.

    WW put out this article. I don’t know if I’m allowed to post this on here or not, but it helped me deal with the 0 P+ fruit concept.

    Your questions about fruit, answered
    Article By: Elly Trickett McNerney

    Why does fruit count in recipes? Are there other times I need to count it? And how much is too much? Don’t worry — we’ve got some answers for you.

    Fresh fruit is definitely having its moment in the spotlight, ever since Weight Watchers awarded it all a PointsPlus™ value of zero! But with great freedom comes great responsibility, and we know some of you are anxious that you get it “right.”Here, we answer some of your common questions:

    When I add fruit to the recipes I create in the Recipe Builder, it counts PointsPlus values for it! I thought fruit was zero?
    Just as we’ve always done with 0 PointsPlus value vegetables, 0 PointsPlus value fresh fruits contribute toward the total PointsPlus values of a recipe, whether it’s a Weight Watchers recipe or one you build yourself in the Recipe Builder.

    The technical explanation is that because recipes are calculated based on the total grams of fat, fiber, protein and carbs for all their ingredients. As one poster on the Message Boards, DANI_THE_GECKO, sagely points out: “The recipe builder only knows that you input nutritional information. It does not know if it’s fruit, green beans or heavy cream.”

    But why do we do it this way? There are a couple of very good reasons why we count fruits and veggies in our recipes:

    Our recipes often appear in articles and magazines nationally, so we need to provide the calories and nutrient content, as many recipes published elsewhere do.
    Once vegetables and fruit are elements in a prepared recipe, the experience of eating them changes. Few people overeat carrots — but they might overeat carrot cake.

    If your “recipe” is truly just a few pieces of fruit, then you might want to record it in your Tracker as separate items or as a “meal” — the latter looks at each item separately and then adds up all the PointsPlus values. Because all the items have 0 PointsPlus values, the total will also be zero.

    Are there situations when I need to count PointsPlus values for fruit?
    No, not for fresh fruit. Yes, fruit does have calories, and it contains fiber and other nutrients. But we’re assuming that you’ll eat a certain amount of fresh and other unsweetened fruit (veggies, too) each day, and have taken that into account when giving you your daily PointsPlus Target.

    All fruit is 0 PointsPlus values when it’s fresh, unsweetened frozen, canned in its juice and drained, or with artificial sweeteners. What if you peel it? Yep — as long as it’s unadorned, it’s still zero. (Again, same for veggies.)

    You do need to count PointsPlus values when there’s added sugar, such as fruit in syrup or in juice, or when there’s less water content, as with dried fruit.

    I’ve heard that cooking fruit increases its sugar content. Is that true? Does cooked fruit really have a PointsPlus value?
    No, the sugar content doesn’t increase when fruit is cooked. However, during the cooking process, there is water loss, so you will have more fruit for a given volume. In other words, a half cup of cooked pears will contain more fruit than a half cup of raw pears.

    How much 0 PointsPlus values fruit is too much?
    We’ll say it again: Yes, fruits and vegetables aren’t magically calorie-free just by dint of us making most of them free of PointsPlus values. We took this step to encourage people to eat more fruits and vegetables; foods that are nutritious, satisfying and help to encourage you to make healthy, lasting choices that will lead to weight loss.

    If you’re concerned that you’re eating “too much fruit,” ask yourself if you’re enjoying what you’re eating, or if you’re honestly stuffing yourself with bananas because they’re “free.” Or maybe you’re blending pounds of berries and bananas with ice into big-gulp smoothies.

    If you’re using fruit and veggies as a way to stuff yourself in lieu of stuffing yourself with less healthy foods, then it’s possible that you may be reaching the point of “too much.” If you’re eating more than you used to, but you’re using them for healthy snacks, to bulk up your meals or as a tide-me-over when you’re down to the last few PointsPlus values for the day or week, then you’re probably OK.

    The bottom line? Let your hunger, and your weight loss, be your guide.


    April 8, 2011

    Congrats on the 3.6 pound loss! What great start!

    I have been a WW alum, and have been on and off of the program for about a decade, with 2 pregnancies thrown in there for good measure. I could calculate points with my eyes closed, and had everything memorized, so starting on the PP program last fall was VERY hard for me. It took me about a month to where I wasn’t feeling so resentful about the point differences in the foods I was eating. The fruit thing freaked me out at first too.
    But honestly, this new program has been just what I needed to get things moving again. I have been seeing great losses every week (where I was losing very slowly on the old program). I am now 9 pounds away from my goal weight, and I really feel like I owe it to the new PP program.
    I think once you’ve done it for a while, and it starts to feel more “normal” and not so much thinking, you will feel the same way!
    Good luck!


    April 8, 2011

    Congrats on the great first week! That’s so awesome! I’m thrilled for you. I think your suggestions to count foods in certain recipes makes a lot of sense. Those 7 Points in the smoothie can’t be ignored.

    Hope little bean is well! I’m going to catch up on the Babble posts this weekend! :)


    April 8, 2011

    I see what you’re saying about the fruit processing and drinking larger quantities. I’m more likely to calculate the total calories, fat and fiber (still following the old plan) of an entire recipe, then divide and it figure out the points based on that. I find it simliar enough because the vegetables typically don’t add that many calories and tend to up the fiber content quite a bit. If I add a cup of mushrooms and onions, then divide it, it’s barely enough calories to make me concerned. I do occasionally eat large quanitities of fruit like that, especially in the summer. I’ll make myself a big fruit plate and have that for dessert instead of ice cream.


    April 8, 2011

    I started on the old plan in September and lost about 20 lbs. on it; I’ve lost 17 more on points plus. Last month I had the yo-yo weight – I’d be up one week, down the same amount the next, up the next, down the next…. I started counting each fruit as 1 pt. and the weight started to come off again. I find it’s different for everyone…you kind of have to make adjustments to make the program work for you. Over time I’m sure WW will work this out. I do prefer the new plan to the old though – just seems more liveable to me and I don’t feel as though I’m dieting. And I AM eating healthier on the new plan then I did on the old one.


    April 8, 2011

    Thank you for this post…I totally agree with how you count fruit…this is exactly how WW counts fruits/vegs in recipes…nice to know I can trust your recipes to include the nutritional value of these items. A lot of WW blogs out there ignore this and always count fruit as zero in recipes and if I want to try their recipes, i can’t trust their pointsplus values so I must rebuild in recipe builder :) you rock!

    For me how I deal with free fruit is I go by the recommendation of 5 fruits AND veggies per day (so maybe a banana, orange and 3 diff veggies)…although I do usually eat more veggies than that… :)

    thanks again!


    April 9, 2011

    Wow! This can be so confusing! Here’ s my take. . .
    It’s fruit!! It’s not like we’re downing sleeves of cookies here. Although, I’ve certainly done that more than once! :-0 I have been as confused as everyone else here about the fruit issue, but then decided. . . It’s fruit! I’m not going to put this much more thought into it anymore. So, I decided that I will eat all the fruit I want as part of a meal or a snack for 0 points. If it’s part of a recipe I throw it into the online recipe builder and it is what it is. Having said that, I do try to make sure I stick to around 4 fruits a day or less. However, if having some extra fruit at night is going to ward off mindless snacking, I have some.
    In the end, we all need to do what works for us. Maybe it’s not a matter of what’s “right” but what’s “right for me.” What’s right for you, is healthy, managable, and will allow you to continue the journey to better health over the long term? Gee, who knew fruit could generate so much conversation?! :-)
    Roni, congratulations on your weight loss this week. Obviously, whatever you are doing is working for you! Keep up the great work!


    April 10, 2011

    I am on Week One of the new program, so I’m no expert, but according to page 42 of the “Getting Started” book (an my WW leader), you do not add points when adding fruit or veggies. That being said, if I were making a smoothie that had 5+ fruit servings in it, I would personally calculate the NI for the entire recipe, because you are using so much “free” food and it starts to add up. [Personally, having a history of blood sugar issues, eating 4-5 servings of fruit in a smoothie is not going to be something I can do anyway.]

    For me, however, since I am generally adding 1 serving of fruit to my Almond Milk/ice smoothie (plus a veggie now and then), I do not add points for the fruit.

    Unfortunately, this looks like it is going to be one of those YMMV situations since WW is not being totally clear.

    Here is a link to a discussion on the boards that lists WW’s instructions to its leaders on fruit/veg in smoothies etc. Roni, it doesn’t follow what your leader said in terms of a blanket rule, but I still think according to that info, you would still count PP fcr your smoothie because it’s such a large quantity of fruit/abuse potential.


    April 11, 2011

    Congrats on your Week 1 Weigh In! But somehow I knew that your Week 1 will be a success :) Keep it up.


    July 24, 2011

    I just started this week and have not yet weighed in. I fear that I’m not losing, and on the old plan, I could tell that first week that I was losing weight. I haven’t even touched my Points Plus quota any day this week, much less used the extras. Also, if I may be so bold, the fruit is giving me, uh, a lot of gas. So, now I’m bloated which isn’t doing much for my sense of success. I’m going to switch to carrots in those times when I’m eating fruit. I just can’t ignore the calories in fruits — it’s too ingrained in me.


    November 9, 2011

    You have motivated me, thank you. I am a lifetime member and unfortunately I have let myself REALLY go, I have 100+ to loose, its hard to even write that. I was doing great on the Momentum Plan, even JUST knew I would have 50lbs off in a few months, then the new program, and I thought why should I switch, if it works, why fix it! But, even giving the excuse I am lagging and dragging along, and not getting any younger. I felt as though the program was now talking to a younger group of weight loss community, I personally felt left out, however, I noticed that the same age group (over 50s/60s) was still showing up and since last year when WWs introduced PPlus I have seen the attendance dwindle. I just walked out of the last meeting, I do not want to hear about how to use e-tools (WWs new toy) when I have over 100lbs to loose, I want to hear about how I change my brain, how I avoid junk around the office, how I can handle stress, WWs years ago had a 100+ meetings, I sure wish that was around my area. You are right, so right, we are weight management people, we really know what to do and how to do it. Like you I like the meetings and the weigh ins, it keeps me honest, thanks for your pictures and your story. Congratulations, you deserve it!