Before I get into any specifics I just have to say this…
It’s Flore people, It’s FLORE!
If you have no idea what I’m talking about click here to read one of my old Weight Watcher Rant posts. In short, "flore" was the underground name for a combination of (at that time) both Weight Watcher plans (CORE and FLEX). From the very beginning I followed Weight Watchers Flex Plan by counting points while eating as many Core Foods as possible and it always seemed like a no brainer to me. Sure I could have just counted points for what I was eating before Weight Watchers but considering 1 – 12 inch sub would pretty much be my daily allowance I decided to not only start counting points but change, fundamentally, what I was eating.
Weight Watcher’s new plan, Momentum, takes this same exact concept and finally admits it’s not all about Points. What you eat counts as well. FINALLY, Weight Watchers, Finally… thank you. :)
The Momentum plan is designed to teach you the fundamentals of weight loss and help you stick with your weight-loss efforts, all the way to your goal.
What are the fundamentals of weight loss, you ask? Well the tried and trusted "burn more calories then you take in". Yes people, Weight Watchers has repackaged the basic foundation that we ALL KNOW is true. We need to eat less and move more. It’s not rocket science yet somehow it’s more complicated then quantum physics.
The new plan still uses the tried and trusted Points system. Nothing has changed there. You still get a daily allowance. There are still 35 weekly points to fall back and use how you like. The big change is the focus on what Weight Watchers is calling "Filling Foods" that are pretty much, yup you guessed it, CORE foods.
Specifically these "Filling Foods" are..
- Whole Grains
- Fruits & Veggies
- Lean Proteins (meat, fish, eggs, beans)
- Fat Free Dairy
The Momentum plan also introduces the concept of "stretching" your points. Or what I always liked to call "bulking". Way back when, I talked about this concept is my Does Size Matter? post.
In the new materials Weight Watchers even puts side by side images up of this idea which eerily reminds me of the ones found in Volumetrics. Another plan that focuses on what you eat and how you can stretch your calories.
Again, this isn’t new stuff. It’s the same tried and trusted theories we all know work, Weight Watchers is just wrapping it up all nice for us in new packaging and just in time for Christmas… how thoughtful of them. ;)
In addition to these changes the 8 healthy guidelines have changed slightly and now there are 9. FINALLY addressing something I think they should have a while ago, Activity. In summary the new healthy guidelines are…
- 5 servings of fruits & veggies
- 2 servings of milk products
- 6 glasses of "liquids" – they used to say water.. they changed it. Why? I DON’T know. Bad move in my opinion
- 2 tsp healthy oils
- 1-2 servings of lean protein
- 1 multivitamin a day
- Choose Whole Grains when possible
- Get in at least 30 minutes of activity in a day most days of the week
- Limit sugar and alcohol
Other then those changes the plan is just like the old Flex plan. The points are exactly the same. The formulas have not changed so all your point calculators are still relevant. Again, the big difference is emphasizing what you eat not just how many points it is.
In my opinion these changes are in response to people generalizing the Flex plan as the "eat whatever you want as long as you count it" plan. Which we know is not true. If you ate whatever you wanted your points would be gone by breakfast and you’d never be able to stay on plan. Have you ever calculated Danny’s Grand Slam* breakfast? Ummm yeah.
Anyway, right now I’m thinking the hard core CORE followers are up in arms as they are being told they need to start tracking points (which we all know is not true — if old CORE is working for you then why change your plan.) However, if you are a CORE follower, I’ve been informed that the week 6 materials for the new plan will include a no counting strategy. Which is basically old CORE concepts as they don’t expect everyone to track what they eat forever. Not everyone is cut out for that.
So here’s my take on the new plan… It’s Flore. Eat as many whole, lean foods as possible. Start by counting points to learn about your food choices and to get an idea of portions. When you feel comfortable or when you reach your goal try to eat portions that feel right and learn to read your body’s fullness signals. If you start to need more accountability, start food journaling again.
They should have just called it the "Roni Plan" as it’s EXACTLY what I’ve been doing for the past 3 years. That sounds a bit egotistical but it’s true and I think most maintainers will agree that they’ve been following a similar plan as well.
Personally I applaud Weight Watchers for constantly changing their plan. The seem to adjust based on what is and what isn’t working for their members. When push comes to shove they are a company trying to make money but overall I do believe their plan takes a common sense approach and it did work for me. It’s about finding what works for you.
Now, if when can just get them to make healthier products! Considering most of their Weight Watcher brand food doesn’t even come close to meeting their own healthy guidelines! What is up with that?!?
Instead of a separate weekly question this week, I’d like to hear your opinions on the new Momentum plan. What are your thoughts?
*20, that’s right TWENTY. Almost 800 calories and 50g of fat!! YIKES!
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I was at a WW staff meeting with the CEO introducing Momentum (on a video) and said “yes, we know, It is like FLORE it is what you all have been telling us, and we listened, and here is how we think it will best work”.
Agree with you 100%, Roni! And I believe sometime back, the “national” medical recommendation changed the fluid intake to include all liquids, thus WW followed suit.
Great post and thanks for the overview!
Just started WW 6 wks ago – I was doing Core and then they sprung this. After the meeting I was “hmmm nothing has changed except now you want me to count points”. I think I’ll be asking to get the wk 6 info next wk. And the meeting leader tried her best to make it all seem new and exciting. And I hate that the weight tracker is in the back of the lil pocket guide and they started me off at wk 1 again – I like being able to look back over prev wks (now have to carry 2 to do that). Ok rant over…I think :)
Long-time lurker here coming out to tell you my Momentum story.
My leader at 9:00 a.m. Sunday (supposedly the first meeting in the world every week but I don’t know for sure), who is not a rah-rah, follow-the- rules-to-the-nth degree WW leader said, and I quote, “This is FLORE. This is the only time you will hear that word from my lips; but it is FLORE, FLORE, FLORE; and of course I will deny I ever said that word.”
The funny thing is there were three other leaders sitting in on the meeting just to assess/learn from/whatever her presentation. She was most amusing.
We did not get into the activity points at all. But I do appreciate the NUTRITIONAL INFORMATION which is what I have had to seek on my own the last three years.
Let me take the opportunity to tell you how much I enjoy your work/efforts. While I admit as a “professional proofreader” (I am a court reporter who reads/prepares transcripts daily), sometimes it is painful for me (must keep red pen from computer screen *:0), but I have come to cherish every word of yours I read.
Renda (going back into lurkdom)
Way back on Monday, after I went to my meeting, I said in my blog: This seems like what Roni’s been doing all along. I’m so glad you agree! :D
http://www.blogtolose.com/profiles/blogs/a-lot-to-wrap-my-head-around
Hi Roni. I love the portmanteau “Flore.” It describes exactly what I plan to do for weight loss and healthy living. I joined WW and within a week decided to quit, for reasons outlined on my Blog to Lose page.
“Flore” is the way I generally try to eat anyway, with a few detours for pizza, Rye Triscuits, and chocolate chip cookies. It worked for me in the past and will work again in the future, with some discipline and plenty of exercise.
Thank you for addressing this new plan by WW. When I read the materials I thought: “no brainer. Isn’t this how we are all supposed to eat anyway?” Eating healthy and losing weight is as much about changing lifestyle and our attitudes towards food. Counting points and tracking each bite can go a long way towards helping some people change that lifestyle and attitude. Ultimately we have to put good stuff in or we won’t have good stuff to show for it.
Love your blog, read it everyday. Have a great weekend!
I like the new plan. I especially like that coffee and other beverages now count as a water. Water is best, but all liquids hydrate. And coffee is a wonderful antioxidant to have in your diet.
I also like that AP points can be banked and used during the week you earned them. Now the theory is withdraw points from your 35 and then use your AP points. I think this change of mindset will get more people on the exercise band wagon in order to bank points for a time when they are needed.
I joined the week before Thanksgiving (because I am a GENIUS) and was thrilled to see the Core Plan. Way back when when I was young and single, I lost 30 lbs on Weight Watchers with the old, pre-Points, exchange-based plan. It taught me a ton about food and nutrition and what works for my body. I actually became a receptionist during the switch to Points and hated the plan. If you tell me I can eat anything, I am going to. And I hated the emphasis on “fake food” in the Flex plan. I love healthier foods, i just love a lot of crap in addition to those foods. I found the cravings for sweets went away unbelievably fast, my energy level rebounded, and I lost eight pounds in the first three weeks (I lost 10 lbs in three months on Flex the last time I tried).
So I almost cried when I saw the Momentum plan got rid of Core. My leader is that rare gem who in fact loves and understands Core, so she suggested I track for a week and then go back to it. And guess what? I GAINED! I didn’t like the direction I was heading even before the week was up, so I started doing core but counting points, and I have come in under my point total every day. (I am enormous and a nursing mother, so I have a lot of points). No wonder I lost on Core. And I never really felt deprived (I also exercise, so I had enough extra points to have a “fun” day and still lose.
What I am doing now is — eating Core, but writing it all down (keeps me honest) and not limiting portions. I find the science behind Core foods works well that way — I am not going to go crazy and eat 3,000 calories worth of eggs, or fat free cheese, or cereal. They just aren’t trigger foods. Plus, even though I don’t measure my portions, I just find I can’t go overboard on these foods before I feel full. However, on flex I would have that cookie, or doughtnut, or whatever, “because I am counting it.” I’m much happier –and my body seems much happier too! — on sort of a modified Flore. Glad to hear this is “unofficially” blessed.
I was on WW back in the late 80′s / early 90′s when their program was still an exchange program. Due to life circumstances, I “fell off the wagon” big time and am waaaay over my starting weight from back then. I’ve thought about going back to WW many times, but every time I researched their program du jour, I discovered that they totally missed the boat on defining a program like the exchange plan they had when I was on it that would actually help TEACH you how to eat. The points programs that allowed you to eat whatever you wanted as long as you remained within your point count was the most nutritionally boneheaded idea I’ve ever seen! Consquently, I’ve been avoiding WW like the plague. A friend just told me about this new program they introduced, so I’ve been doing some research. It does seem like they’ve made strides, finally, toward introducing a program that addressed the shortcomings of the points freedom stupidity. It’s not clear to me how it matches up against the old exchanges program, though, in really helping you learn to eat a balanced diet. I realize even on that program you could eat stupidly, but at least it was balanced. How’s the new program for addressing the balanced diet issue as well as the intelligent choices issue?
As a Lifetime member who attained goal weight in April 08 on the Core plan and have kept it off, I’ve been alarmed by the new plan, but your blog post gives me hope. I was thinking that I would feel “lonely” at meetings since no one would be doing the same thing as me, b/c I DO NOT plan to change what I’m doing. Thanks for helping me feel better about this new plan.
Michelle
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BuzyMom – I think this one does a much better job then just “points”. People where really abusing that system and never really learning the right way to eat.
The guidelines I outlined in the post are now the plan with points being a way to just help with portions. A much better approach I think.
Can you get a good meeting that is not boring, boring and not informative
I am up in arms about core being eliminated. That was the best plan Weight Watchers ever put together. Flex is stupid as it caves in to stupid fat women who can’t control their refined sugar intake. Rumor hast it, the new week 6 book actually lets you do Core still.
Weight watchers dropped the ball on this one.
Michael,
Actually if you read the post I mention the week 6 book for CORE fans. I appreciate your comment and I value your opinion but please do share it in a more respectful manner if you decide to comment again.
Thank you,
Roni
Very interesting! I followed the flex plan just before Core was introduced and did fairly well for about 4 months. As my progress slowed, and many weeks completely stalled (due to eating empty points), I got frustrated, quit following plan, and gained the weight back… plus! I was always afraid of the Core plan because it didn’t track points to train my proportions as I’m still learning sizing.
I feel the healthier choices of core WITH limitations from flex just might be for me…. and from what I’m hearing it was popular even before official existence with most of the successful WWers! I’m excited to get started! Thanks for the blog… it was my boost for another try!
I wanted to clear up something that many people have been misinformed about with Momentum.
RE the verbage on Week 2 Book about Activity Points. It’s on page 12 for reference:
“they can be added to your daily points targer OR to your weekly allowance”
So you can use your APs before OR after your FPs….which really doesn’t matter. As long as it’s in the week you earn them.
Many people think you use your AP only after your FP which is not the case. You have the freedom to which ever.
Like this person:
“On December 11th, 2008 at 12:56 am Sandra said:
If you do the online program you get activity points but you can’t swap them until the weekly points are gone. This is the only thing I don’t like about the plan. “
I think the online program should reflect the actual wording in the program materials if thats difference in her statement.
Either way an extra point to eat if you choose is an extra point to eat no matter what you call it.
Could someone please list the filling foods list?
Pat… it’s not *that* different then the core list…
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/past-amazing-posts/332315-ww-core-food-list.html
Think fresh produce, lean meats, beans
Hope that helps!
“I appreciate your comment and I value your opinion but please do share it in a more respectful manner if you decide to comment again.”
I stand by my comments. Momentum is a cave in to those who can’t control their refined carbohydrate intake. That is the truth, if you don’t like it, kick my off the site. They also happen to almost be uniformly over weight (just like I was before I figured this out). Sorry, but like Simon Cowell, I say it the way it is.
Again feel free to “stand by your comment.” I value it. I just don’t think you need to resort to this type of statement…
“Flex is stupid as it caves in to stupid fat women who can’t control their refined sugar intake”
Calling people stupid is not helping them see your point. As you stated, it took you some time to figure it out too.
i wanted to start weight watchers.
theres so many comments on this page and i get the basic concept about the Momentum plan that its the core and the flex together.
but i was wondering really how does it work?
In a nutshell…. You get an allocated number of points a day to help with food portions decisions and you learn what foods (core) are better option. The goal is to get you to eat a well balanced portioned controlled diet consisting mostly of whole foods.
Let me chime in here with a another guy’s point of view.
Some of you ladies might have a husband or a boyfriend who might be reluctant to go to the meetings or go on a diet. Let them know that
I lost 40 pounds using the point system in six months and did neither.
It’s about “getting in shape” not “dieting” – at least that’s how us guys or I mentally approach it.
What motivated me? I’m 43, my two sons were getting older and I needed to keep up with them physically and every part of my body hurt when I tried to keep up because I was not in shape.
I got too tired too easily in bed when I wasn’t supposed to be sleeping if you get my drift… and sleeping and snoring in bed too much as I’ve been told by my wife. Happy to report that things are much better in this department since I lost the pounds :)
Anyway, I eat each day like playing a round of golf. With the goal to score the least amount of points per day (within the acceptable range). Yes I log my points in a home made journal so I can “keep score”. I try not to go nuts about every food item I eat. If my wife makes a pie I take a tablespoon of it instead of an entire slice. I’ll eat one slice of pizza with mushrooms instead of pepperoni. And I eat slowly and try to enjoy each bite. I used to defend my plate, but now I put down the fork and knife after each bite.
After I eat my points I get out of the kitchen and go work in the garage or work on the lawn. There’s nothing in either these places that I would even consider eating – except my Jersey tomatoes in the summer (my wife sauces them up to get the Lycopene advantatge).
My ankles were shot from a sports related accident and then from stepping in a drainage ditch. So I started swimming at the YMCA. I used to float like a rock. Now I’m doing 36 laps (about a mile).
Worst part is I had to buy new clothes and I hate shopping. Oh well.
All and all It’s doable, I’m doing it.
Take it easy, ok.
Mikey G
Thanks Mike! I feel EXACTLY the same way.
“the goal to score the least amount of points per day (within the acceptable range).”
That was my strategy as well.
Thanks for sharing your story. It’s great to get a male point of view!
-Roni
How do you factor in small “treats” into this Momentum plan?
I’m not sure what you mean? You count the points for the snack just like you would a meal.
Amen sista, this is exactly what I’ve been saying since I started Weight Watchers. I was introduced to the Flex plan by a friend, but was losing weight at a much faster pace week after week. It was because of the food choices I was making and eating smaller portions more often during the day which I also think is a big help. Thanks for the reinforcement that I’m on the right track, I’m currently doing Weight Watchers again and love to read these kind of things to keep me motivated.
I stick mostly to filling foods while counting all of my points. The thing that they have in the book about eating what you want of the filling foods until you are satisfied and not having to count daily points and using the 35 weekly points to add to the simply filling foods does not work for me. I need the structure of counting everything and having those daily points. I do love sweets and munchies but I don’t make them my entire day. I allow myself one serving of a munchy and one serving of a sweet a day. If I didn’t do that then it wouldn’t be very long before I was off the diet and eating loads of munchies and sweets to make up for what I had denied myself. That seems to be working for me.
What does everyone think about the difference and effectiveness of counting POINTS to just counting CALORIES ?
Susan,
For food intake, I prefer tracking POINTS rather than just counting CALORIES. Calories are just one part of the weight loss puzzle.
POINTS take into account Fiber, Calories and Fat content – seems like a healthier way to go.
Most activities however are measured more commonly in CALORIES burned (based on activity, body weight and time spent)
I end up converting CALORIES burned to ACTIVITY POINTS earned
and subtracting it from my food points.
Worked for me, I lost 35 pounds in 147 days so far…
Thanks a lot, Mike from Jersey !
Susan – For me counting point simplified things and as Mike said they take more things into consideration. I think you can be successful counting calories just as you can be successful counting points it comes down to what make the most sense for your and your situation. Points stuck for me and the overall WW plan guided me better then any other plan.
now that we got the plan down WW announce a new plan starting Dec 2010 Many are trying to guess but no one knows for sure what it will be.
I will let you know
I feel so frustrated and fed up of being ‘rigid’ and counting points !
I guess if I cut out some junk, I wouldn’t be left with the decision of ‘do I put a butter substitute on this bread or do I have to just eat it plain’ ?? Don’t mean to be negative, honestly looking for perspective.
Susan – If the points are that frustrating to you then maybe Weight Watchers isn’t the plan for you. I found the points a challenge and I enjoyed the ability to use them the best way I could without being told WHAT to eat. They taught me balance. Did you ever read about the old CORE plan? Maybe try this approach? (scrolls down to CORE… http://www.starling-fitness.com/archives/2005/08/30/what-you-need-to-know-about-weight-watchers/)
Thanks, Roni – actually, I did try it for a little while, but I guess I got tired of not being able to eat certain foods, or only having 35 pts. per week to eat different foods that I wanted to eat. Now I’ve gone back to trying to do the real (new) WW plan – the Momentum, just with the huge change of cutting out sugary ‘foods’ – cake, ice cream, etc….. I know I will make an exception sometimes, but I need to not think about that right now, and just move ahead with cutting it out…. then I won’t keep having such intense cravings and I will have more freedom in my choices with ‘real’ food.
I love WW plan. For those who are doing to as well or are just counting calories, not sure if you have ever heard of Dotti’s Weight Loss Zone. Google it. It is free for fast food points and calories. Good Luck!
Can someone explain the details of the new Momentum Plan. I am very familiar with both the Flex and Core, but I can’t find how the Momentum Plan is different.
Thank you
Diane – I’m not sure if you read my post above but I give all the details. In summary it’s flex with core food recommendations. The new healthy guidelines are listed above.
Could you please advise me of cost to join and weekly costs. thank you. Joy
It’s about $12 a week but this is the old plan. Their new plan is coming out today.